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Good luck

...working with Gov. Arnold and the G.O.P. on anything.  Their word is worthless; they will betray any promise to buttress their own power.  If you want to fight unfair redistricting practices, you're going to have to take on the entire Republican party.

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 03:42:13 PM EST


Re: Good luck

i agree.  I would not be interested in Arnold's idea of redistricting.  You can bet he means more Republicans elected

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 04:09:00 PM EST
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Why are you doing this?

Working with Republicans at this stage on anything is idiotic.  Doing it in California, where our control of the legislature has preserved one of the last remaining bastions of sanity in this country, borders on the insane.  Surely there are higher priorites and better things for you to be focusing on.

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 04:22:38 PM EST
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Re: Why are you doing this?

We have been pushing for redistriciting reform for many years. I understand the trepidition lot of you are feeling on this. However, given what has happened in Texas and in Florida, it is pretty increasingly apparent that the current system just doesn't work. And if we can get our guidelines passed in California, it will give us that much politial ammunition to force proper redistricting in places like DeLay's Texas.

by Murshed Zaheed on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 04:25:25 PM EST
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Well...

if you can keep Arnold and the GOP from turning California's redistricting into another texas, then good for you.  However, I think you're woefully underestimating the political climate of the country.

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri Feb 18, 2005 at 05:43:50 PM EST
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Re: Why are you doing this?

I am sorry, but I think Common Cause is making a BIG mistake siding with Gov Arnold.  

I DON"T trust him and his party at ALL! If you are going to be involved, then PLEASE do not be so naive as to believe that they are doing this for the common good! BIG money, influence & power are at stake here.

My sister lives in CA and has been an attorney in that state for over 20 years.  She is very ethical and cares about the clients she takes on.  Please read the following and decide for yourself just how "noble" Gove Schwarzenegger's motives are.

"I fear that my professional future is in serious jeopardy.  Gov. Schwartzenegger seems to be drunk with power and is raising money by the boatfuls to call a special election in November for the purposes of re-districting California and to ask the voters to weigh in on a number of other, business-friendly proposals.  The pharmaceutical industry has committed $10 million to putting three initiatives on the ballot, one of which proposes to cap all contingency fees at 20% - after costs are deducted.  At 20%, it will be very, very difficult for lawyers to make a living - overhead expenses in our type of practice is generally about 40-50% of gross income and I don't think that includes "case costs"- the money invested in cases that you hope to recover if you are successful.  

    The practical effect of this can best be demonstrated by an example.  If you are injured by a negligent driver and your attorney spends $25,000 in costs on your case, then tries it and wins $100,000, he would be paid $15,000 ([$100,000 - $25,000] x 20%) or about 60% of what he invested in your case.  In order to put all personal injury lawyers out of business for good, the insurance industry would just have to push virtually all cases to trial, substantially increasing the cost to lawyers, something it's been doing far more in the past decade anyway.  Even if it loses the case, it will have accomplished its goal.  It is a brilliant strategy and one, I fear in this climate, likely to succeed.

    I've seen the strategy and it is devastating.  In Florida, the voters overwhelmingly passed draconian limits on attorneys' fees in med mal cases, even though the plaintiffs' bar spent several millions of dollars countering the movement.  It took seeing only one commercial to understand why they were successful.  Picture a sympathetic black woman sitting in a wheelchair.  She was hurt by a negligent doctor, she says, and a jury awarded her $1 million for her injuries, but her lawyer took more than half.  "If this law had been passed, my lawyer still would have gotten $150,000," she says looking into the camera.  "That seems like a lot of money to me for one case."  

    Bingo.  Most people, especially those in red states, would think that $150,000 IS a lot of money for one case and don't lawyers have dozens of cases?  If they get more than $500,000 for each one, no wonder they are rich.  They are taking advantage of the people they say they want to help.  They should still be able to live well if they are earning just $150,000 per case.

    Of course, what they don't think about is the fact that million dollar cases are not the norm, they are still pretty unusual, especially in states with limits on damages in certain kinds of cases.  What they don't consider is the fact that the lawyer probably had more than $100,000 of his own money invested into the case, which he would have lost if the jury did not find in favor of the client.  That last month, the lawyer lost a similar case in trial; that insurance companies are forcing more and more cases to trial where these same people, now sitting as jurors, are disinclined to be sympathetic to his client's cause.

    I'm just sick at heart.  I've seen this and lived with it in my med mal cases for my entire career.  I'm turning down cases today that involve the death of children or retired persons, unless the case is very simple,
straight-forward and will involve just one expert, so I can hope to keep my pre-trial costs below $25,000.  

These are what we call 250 cases because the most you can recover is $250,000 since there are no economic damages associated with the death.  (One of the things MICRA did was abolish the "collateral source" rule in which a jury is not told whether medical bills were paid by insurance or not.  So jurors are told that virtually all or most of the medical bills in these cases were, in fact, paid for by insurance or Medicare or Medicaid.  As a result, they generally do not award those as damages.)"

PLEASE consider yourselves as WATCHDOGS in this process instead of partners!

by adrienne on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 05:28:10 PM EST
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Re: Why are you doing this?

I wouldn't trust Schwarzenegger and don't find "common cause" with him on anything.

The idea of "independent commisions" looks good on paper, particularly because of the metaphysical pathos of "state legislator": guy in dark pinstriped suits with cigars.

In reality, what they do is open to public inspection and therefore public accountability. To whom is an independent commission accountable?

Further, wealthy Republicans have more discretionary time with which they can pack such boards, which would become unbalanced.

Finally, stay the heck out of Massachusetts. If you want to bring about redistricting reform, I suggest you get Schwarzenegger to apply leverage to his Republican buddies to do something first about Texas. The degree to which he agrees is the degree to which his motives for pursuing this reform are transparent.

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:27:10 PM EST
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Re: Why are you doing this?

"If you want to bring about redistricting reform, I suggest you get Schwarzenegger to apply leverage to his Republican buddies to do something first about Texas."

That is a great suggestion and we are going to plan our strategy right around that idea. If CA redistricting takes place under our guidelines, we will have that much political ammunition when we go into Texas and demand the TX legislators adopt the model from California.

Another note - we are reading lot of comments on how this redistricting effort is similar to one DeLay improvised in Texas. They are completely different.

by Murshed Zaheed on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:30:53 PM EST
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Re: Why are you doing this?

Murshed,

I simply cannot believe what you guys are doing. Common Cause must be not just dangerously naive but downright fools to engage in anything with Schwarzenegger or the Republican Party on a topic like this.

I don't intend anything offensive here but your comment:
"If CA redistricting takes place under our guidelines, we will have that much political ammunition when we go into Texas and demand the TX legislators adopt the model from California."
borders on the infantile.

This displays an egregious lack of knowledge about how the Republican party works and how completely lacking in power groups like you are in today's political climate.

Let me predict exactly what is going to happen.

  1. A well-intention public interest organization thinks it will gain leverage with an ultra right-wing Governor and his party in TX (LOL!) (a Governor who consistently hides the most dangerous policies of his using the cloak of being a so-called social liberal or by running false or misleading ads to snooker citizens again and again) by partnering with him.

  2. The plan reduces the Democratic majority in CA and is pushed through as a referendum on unsuspecting people who don't know 1/10th of the details of the plan to know what they are voting for. Telegenic photos and smiles from the Governor with Common Cause providing political cover helps the plan pass.

  3. The GOP gains more power nationally and even more power to subvert national and state laws to take the country back several decades.

  4. Common Cause pretends that they could not have known how this would transpire and petitions Schwarzenegger to "keep his end of the bargain" (forgetting that Schwarzenegger has a poor history of telling the truth or keeping any promises).

  5. Common Cause pretends that they can somehow influence the completely corrupt Texas GOP-controlled legislature which keeps getting voted back into power by people who are willing to display their "moral values" again and again by voting for corrupt criminals.

Anyway, this is a blooming joke. This displays a wilful ignorance of the political climate we are in and the complete untrustworthiness of Schwarzenegger. What a way to destroy your legacy!

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 10:39:59 PM EST
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Re: Good luck

Ditto

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 11:09:49 PM EST
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Re: Good luck

I believe the issue is proportional representation.  Redistricting is an appartion and is a product of concentrated wealth and power.  A solution to incumbency, whereby one should see a greater number of Independent, Green, Libertarian, etc. successful candidacies would be public financing of public office.  Redistricting, only to produce another Democrat/Republican office, is repugnant.  Moreover, my wife and I are public school teachers in California.  The person, who currently occupies the Governor's mansion in California, reneged on his agreement with the teachers of California and their students.  He has encouraged Corporate interests to insinuate themselves into public policy.  This Governor is terminally misguided on significant issues.  His positions often reflect total submission to the Corporate elite and must be repudiated.  This Governor does not "merit" trust.

by c1ferrari on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:21:42 PM EST
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Hold Ahhhnold accountable

Is this just one more step to Nazi spawn in the White House?  Swartzenegger speaks of accountability, hold him accountable.  Why was he present for the energy  meetings?  Has CA recovered their losses from Enron? The recall of Gray Davis was a carefully planned devious tool of the GOP to take CA.   How can Democrats stand by and allow this Nazi to use and tarnish the Kennedy name.  Reform is needed but not through swine like Ahhhnold.  Only a fool would trust him.

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri Feb 18, 2005 at 10:13:16 AM EST
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