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Misinterpreting Holt

H.R. 811, the new version of the Holt bill, doesn't preclude paper ballots with optical scan machines; in fact, that's the easiest way to comply with its tenets. Any jurisdiction would be free to hand-count its paper ballots and report that number. But whatever counting method is used, random audits must be done in statistically significant quantity to ensure the veracity of the count.

Federal election bills, like all legislation, are never perfect. Election bills in particular face many constraints -- there's the whole states' rights/federal mandates issue, for example. This bill will change in committee -- and advocates should work hard to see that the changes they want are incorporated.

Common Cause believes that H.R. 811 is the vehicle most likely to make headway in the House and Senate. Upon introduction, it already could list almost 40% of the House members as co-sponsors. Rep. Holt has worked for years on this issue and has gained credibility from his peers.


Barbara Burt, Common Cause Election Reform Team Leader

by Barb Burt on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:38:17 PM EST


Holt NOT Needed for opscan paper Ballots

Holt is not needed for opscan paper ballots - opscans have ALWAYS featured paper ballots.  

This can not possibly be a defense of HOLT, because Holt does nothing to allow that -- for the simple fact that it has existed for a long time.

As a practical matter those paper ballots or trails with opscans rarely get recounted, and in a contested or corrupt race you will be lucky to get at them in time -- so we should not put too much stock in the recount-ability of paper, especially since jurisdictions are now attempting to charge such high fees to prevent recounts and the possible embarrassment they entail to the election officials responsible for the first count.

by PR Finn on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:57:38 PM EST
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With all due respect, there's no misinterpretation

of Holt.   And while it may be true at some level that no piece of legislation is perfect, we are very far from that state of affairs, and we are dealing with voting, often called the right that protects all other rights -- so we ought to be striving for the very best we can get.  I suspect Common Cause would share that view if not bogged down defending the original form of the bill, so maybe just discussing likely amendments would be a good approach.

by PR Finn on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:02:03 PM EST
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PR Finn is Right. Common Cause- Wake up Please !

Supporting a bill for political expediency when serious flaws still exist rather than lobbying to close loopholes is a serious abdication of responsibility, particularly with such a critical issue.  Barbara you say "This bill will change in committee -- and advocates should work hard to see that the changes they want are incorporated."

Why isn't Common Cause taking an active role rather than simply asking members to blindly tell their representatives to support this bill in its current form?   Barbara, can't you commit to lobbying to fix the following and urging your members to do so?  (thanks to others who have posted similar information on these flaws):

1.    Section 327 is a LOOPHOLE ALLOWING MANUAL AUDITS TO BE BYPASSED.
HR811 permits states to avoid any manual audits when conducting state
"recounts". Many state "recounts" involve no manual counts of
voter-verified paper ballots, or involve fewer manual counts than
HR811 requires or, like Utah, involve limited manual counts but never
compare the manual counts with the electronic tallies used to count
votes on the central tabulator.  This exemption permits states to
avoid independent audits altogether by redefining when they'll do
"recounts".  Independent audits should "always" be required, no matter
whether election officials do "recounts" or not.

2.    NO RECOGNITION OF CITIZEN RIGHT TO OVERSIGHT. HR811 provisions do
not require timely citizen or candidate access to election records
necessary to verify electoral integrity, voter roll accuracy, or
manual audits.  Some states, like Utah, prohibit access to all
election records, even records that the National Voting Rights Act
requires to be publicly available; and other states only release
election records long after election results are made official.
Candidates have nothing to judge the integrity of their election
outcomes with, when access to election records is lacking.

3.    EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE UNDER-FUNDED:  $300 million is not
enough to fund the purchase of precinct-based op-scan machines and
ballot printers for voters with disabilities and non-English-language
voters, for all precincts who currently have voting machines which
lack paper ballots. (although the amount may be enough to purchase new
machines for jurisdictions with paperless DREs like MD, GA, FL,..) If
there are approximately 185,000 U.S. polling places, and even if only
approximately one-third of them are defined as remedial and it costs
$10,000 per polling location for a ballot printer and op-scan device,
then it would cost approximately $650 million to replace all the
electronic ballot voting systems which currently do not cast votes on
archival quality paper ballots, are not fully auditable, and violate
voter anonymity. It also seems to require text conversion technology
in every polling place for voters with disabilities to independently
verify their ballots. At up to $7000 per machine for 185,000 polling
places, you do the math.

4.    INSUFFICIENT AUDIT AMOUNTS:  Fans of audit solutions recognize that
Holt's audit amounts (10% audits for races with margins under 1%, 5%
audits for races with margins between 1% and less than 2%, and 3%
audits for races with margins 2% or greater) are inadequate.  These
numbers were pulled out of thin air, often giving under 50% chance for
detecting even one vote corrupt vote count (count with error) in cases
where just enough vote counts are corrupt to alter outcomes in U.S.
House races.  (I would need to know the number of precincts in all US
House districts to do a thorough mathematical analysis of this.)

5.    UNDER-QUALIFIED COMPOSITION OF STATE AUDIT BOARDS: HR811 proposes a
composition for state audit board members that does not allow
much-needed mathematicians, computer scientists, election activists,
and gaming experts to be on the election audit boards, and does not
allow smaller party members of the Green, Libertarian, Constitution,
or other small parties to be on the state audit boards. The
mathematics of election audits is quite different than in other
industries and can be quite complex due to the variations in the
margins between candidates, size variation in the numbers of ballots
in each vote count, and other factors.

6.    EXCEPTION ALLOWS LOSS OF SECRET SECURE BALLOTS for the Military
voters, who are "allowed" to vote via email.

7.    LOOPHOLE ALLOWS MACHINE COUNTS TO SUPERCEDE VOTER VERIFIED PAPER
when fuzzily described circumstances arise. Legislation should instead
say that: "In the event of any inconsistencies or irregularities
between any electronic records and the voter-verifiable paper records,
the paper records shall be the true and correct record of the votes
cast, except in the case where evidence exists that indicates that the
paper record has been tampered with or damaged, in which case, if an
outcome is in question, then a court will decide."

8.    LOOPHOLE ALLOWS INTERNET CONNECTIONS for central tabulators and
ballot definition software.  This is unnecessary since portable media
can be used to transfer vote counts from the central tabulator or to
the ballot programming devices.

9.    NEGLECTS TO OUTLAW ELECTRONIC POLL BOOKS. Having paper ballots for
voters in case of power failure or electronic failure does little good
if there are electronic poll books. Voters can be disenfranchised, and
have been disenfranchised in both MD and CO due to the use of
electronic poll books.

10.    LOOPHOLE ALLOWS MANUAL AUDITS TO BE GAMED:  Vote miscounts could
be hidden and have a higher chance to escape detection in two or more
large-size counts of absentee, mail-in, overseas, or military ballots.
Must change "and" to "or" in Holt's language, or simply require that
all mail-in ballots are to be counted in batches of the same size as a
median-sized precinct.

by Bob Schlesinger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 12:47:17 PM EST
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