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I was looking at the traffic for the last few days, and it looks like it has increased from about 500 people per day to a little more than 1000. Thanks first to those of you who come regularly. And to those who may not be as familiar with Common Cause, a quick way to familiarize yourself with our work is the poll off to the right there.

The idea of this blog, of course, is to hear from people surfing through the ever-growing blogosphere (sp?) about the issues in the aforementioned poll. If you have thoughts on one or more of these issues, write them in the comments section (link below) and we will do our best to take them up in turn. We especially enjoy a good rant. Although, to those who find the anonymity of the web especially liberating - let's keep it civil.

I should also mention the thread on Social Security that just started. Although this is an issue Common Cause may not add to our agenda, that doesn't mean we can't talk about it. I have admitted to not being an expert on that issue (as much as I am an expert on any issue) so suggested reading is especially welcome, since I assume we are a community of curious people. I did notice that media reform has won the poll so far, in terms of what Common Cause should be doing. I am interested to hear why. I think there are several schools of thought when it comes to the media and what reforming it might actually involve. Do blogs have some role to play?

I also noticed how poorly Iraq has done as an issue for Common Cause, according to our unscientific poll. Is it because Iraq seems outside our usual issues? Did you know one of Common Cause's first issues in 1970 was opposition to the Viet Nam war? I thought it was worth mentioning as we are three days away from the elections in Iraq, which could make that situation sharply better or worse. There were two good pieces on the Iraqi security forces on NPR this morning, which you can listen to by clicking here and here.

So, with that, I turn it over to you....


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American Aid

I wonder if anyone else has notice that the same people screaming that we, the USA, are not doing enough for the people in Southeast Asia after the tsunami are the same ones that were screaming before our invasion of Iraq that we were going to do too much.   It seems that many here and around the world lack consistency when it comes to American Aid.  They welcome our humanitarian help -although it is never enough-  to relieve the suffering caused by  natural disasters,  but they scoff when we offer relief to those suffering under tyranny: the man made disaster that catastrophically distorts the natural order of humanity; that being  all men are created free.

What is worse, the deaths of 150 thousand in mere hours or the life long enslavement of 25 million?   If you live by Patrick Henry's creed the answer is clear; if you consider the savage treatment of Iraqi women and children and  the hundreds of thousands of bodies found in Iraqi mass graves the answer should be obvious to all.

Please don't misunderstand I think the American tradition of being first to response to disasters shows the bountiful character of our nation and should continue.

But, the upcoming election in Iraq speaks well of another great American tradition.  Even though Mr. Jefferson's famous document boldly announced America's independence from all other nations, America has routinely pushed back tyranny and offered life, liberty and the purist of happiness to others all over the world.  

Today, we are supporting  the millions of Iraqi citizens who yearn for those precious inalienable rights.  Sadly, these present day Arab counterparts to the brave Americans who defiantly stood at Lexington and Concord are seldom mentioned by the anti-war media and woefully under appreciated by the "let's just get out of Iraq" crowd.

But, with their vote on Jan. 30, they will honor the sacrifice of their liberators and will take the planet's march toward freedom to the high ground in the Middle East.  From a democratic Iraq opportunities will spread across the region that will  reverse the flow of influence from terror to hope and usher in a stability that will benefit the World.  

Indeed,  their  vote will be "heard around the world" but we Americans should take great comfort in knowing the it will echo the loudest in bin Ladens cave.  I'm sure that millions of  Arabs  Muslins free to determine their destiny through a western style election  was not quite the results he wanted or expected from his attack on America.    

In fact, the fear of  stability and the inherent expansion of  freedom to surrounding states has prompted the recent extreme tactics of the terrorists, but like Hitler's final attempt in the Battle of the Bulge to push the allies in to the sea their attempt to push the Middle East back into darkness of the past will also fail. Sixty years ago the actions of  enormous armies could not extinguish the light of liberty and today the desperate actions of a few will not even begin to dim it.

So, regardless of what some may say, we should all  be proud when we offer the needy and helpless of the world, with our concern  and our compassion, America's gift: Grace.

And, we should feel especially proud when we offer the oppressed and enslaved of the world, with our passion and  our blood, America's promise: Freedom.

Champ

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by champ on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:26:36 AM EST


Bush's hypocricy

Bush and his regime pretend they are Christians but any one who has read the Bible knows they are the epitome of everything the Bible stands against and they are against everything the Bible stands for. I am amazed at how many call themselves Christians but don't recognize evil when they see it running their country because they are evidently blinded by his claim of being pro-life. How many dead are left in his wake so far? If I were the king of evil I'd go to the churches, too; most of the people there don't think at all so they're easy to brainwash and to lead straight through the gates of hell which is precisely where Bush is taking them. God did give us a brain to think with. Following these
'leaders' when they should be being impeached and prosecuted for their treason, high crimes and misdemeanors, felonies, and international war crimes is just not sane, intelligent, or even close to following any of the tenets of Christianity. Hypocrites are mentioned in the Bible, and so is evil. They should look it up sometime.

by kellymars28 on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:46:18 PM EST


Governmental Accountability

Many things have been said about where our country is going, who is running it
and what can be done about it.

First and foremost the "Bill of Rights" granted by the"People".

1st time ever the "People" granted the rights unto themselves from the beginning of recorded history...
Our "rights" were not given us by a begrudging Monarch,
disparate Despot, or some "holy council".
We conferred them upon ourselves.
Thereby establishing the "People" as the sovereign ,
not their governmental apparatus. Therefore when in the course of time some elected servant of the "People"
deems it necessary to suspend these rights he/she must be held accountable for this Treasonable offense by the Sovereignty vested in the People.

It has come to pass in our time to redress our Government. The apparatus to do so is also controlled by these same minions that being the House of Representatives,
as well as the Senate...so our apparatus has failed us in this instance.

We the People of this Nation must bring our concern and demand for accountability to this calumny that has been perpetrated. Our only peaceful redress is to refuse
to participate and clog the machinery with our demands until the Tyrant and his cadres are forced to resign..We must fill the avenues, the parks, the very streets
of our cities, towns and villages. We need draw no farther back in recent memory than to the good people of the Ukraine...Indeed we owe the world this action as the Sovereign of this the first Democracy to enact itself... we deserve no less....

It is past time to put the lies, and fear mongering, to rest..This outrage must not stand.

There is one other misunderstanding needing clarification. Corporations are not structured as democracies. They are at best benevolent oligarchies. They are not
for this very reason structured to preform governmental obligations and/or activities. Privatization when seen in this understanding is further evidence of treasonable behavior. Our Government is not to be a money making venture. Its budget is meant to be spent for the general welfare of the people paid for annually from taxes collected. Whatever that source may be....1st. come the people and their collective needs,health, education, well-being and protection. Lastly and only if there be a surplus would some assistance be given to commerce. Which by this late date in our capital expansion ought be dealt with by the very corporations themselves not from the Peoples' Treasury.

Wake up Citizens of these United States and take back what is yours...Just say NO..

by jac on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:49:11 PM EST


thanks

Very interesting blog!

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 12:42:09 PM EST
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Iraq

My thought on media reform vs. Iraq is that Iraq is a transitory thing [which in no way diminishes its importance or immediacy]; whereas if the media were reformed (equal time rule reinstated, less consolidation, etc.) then we would have fewer Iraqs.  We wouldn't have Condi Rice fearmongering about the smoking gun turning into a mushroom cloud without a rebuttal, and her lies would [hopefully] have been exposed earlier.

The fact that the issues we have with media are long-standing and have led us to adventures like Iraq, and encouraged the blind faith that some put in the current resident of the White House, makes me give media reform a higher priority for focus.

Iraq is also starting to get attention as the boat anchor it is...and people are starting to talk about cutting the rope and getting the heck out.  When Georgie's little adventure is over and done with, we're still stuck with the same media unless we work for change, and unless we do work for that change, Iran, or North Korea, or Syria could be the next target of pre-emptive conflict.

by Browsercat on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:01:39 PM EST


media reform

Can we organize to respond en masse to the media when they uncritically publlish the administration's spin on issues or otherwise distort the news? Just as you send out alerts for getting in touch with Congress members, how about sending out alerts for mass protests to newspapers and TV stations when they need to be reminded about their obligations. I know the right-wing has been doing this. Let us exert the same pressure. But it has to be collective .Also, how about our writing collectively to the sponsors of right-wing news stations and threatening to boycott their products.

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:39:05 PM EST


Re: media reform

"Also, how about our writing collectively to the sponsors of right-wing news stations and threatening to boycott their products." - I think that is a really good idea (hey you should register ... what way we can know who we are addressing this to).  However, I wouldn't just specifically target just the right wing news stations.  I would hope we direct this to any media outlets who are distorting the information.  Remember it was not just the so called right wing stations which failed to question the administration's decision to go to war.  I recall almost everyone in the mainstream media (MSM) failed greatly in this area two years ago when we into the war.

by bluestreet on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:51:08 PM EST
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Re: media reform

Have you heard of BuyBlue.com?
Check it out.

by pderas on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:40:40 PM EST
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Re: media reform

There are already groups that do this very well.  

Visit www.mediamatters.org and www.fair.org

by Blagfly on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:34:51 PM EST
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Re: media reform

Media matters do good work ... but they are not very organized in terms of their online activities though.

by bluestreet on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:36:20 PM EST
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the election is what gets the ball rolling...

i do not like bush or anything he says or does. i have never felt this much dislike for a president in my life. i do not like to be lied too and i feel we are lied to everyday by this man and those around him. the election does get the ball rolling in the fact that if we do not have fair and legal elections we may as well just stop saying we are a democracy. i think there were some illegal things in the last election that helped bush win. so to me the thing has to start by making sure every vote counts and that our government is trying to insure that. the rest comes later....

cherfan

by tom musser on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:26:21 PM EST


Poll

The problem is that it is hard to say which of three or four matters are most important.  Everything is a total mess.  Maybe that is the goal; mess everything up at once; mix Nationalistic views with Religion; get common, ordinary people fighting over things that belong in the religious realm so they forget to watch what you are doing behind their backs.  Remember the "straining at gnats and swallowing camels" phrase from the Bible.  Iraq is important, but also the Mainline Media needs to be freed from Corporate stranglehold.  Here in the Midwest you have conservative newspapers, conservative radio, (imagine you can get Rush on about 5 stations at once for hours on end).  Then you can have sports, religion, Music and one NPR station.  Oh, and I forgot the Dweeb you can get out of Chicago.  We also desperately need Election Reform.  We need a whole new set up with paper trails.  We need Primary Election Days to be unified.  I have lived in Illinois and Indiana and my Primary election vote has never mattered and I am pretty old.  Everybody should have a voice in the primaries.

My best soap box issue is the way we treat our teenage children of low and middle income families.  For you Christians, of which I am one, if you get out your Old Testament you will see that God (with the exception of David) always instructed that "Men 20-years old and above, and who were able to fight, were to be called to fight.  When he instructed a census be taken it was of "men 20-years old and above".  He did not tell them to start recruiting teenagers.  Jesus never instructed people to go to war, he told us we were responsible for all children.

We have always known that people are not adults until 20 or 21.  There have been recent studies on teenagers which indicate that the part of the brain that reasons is not fully developed until later.  

So, here we are, American men and women, recruiting teenagers who have not had a chance to live. Recruiters start hounding them when they are 17.  They approach them at malls, etc.  This is a fact I know for certain.  We call them men and women; but they are not.  It only salves our conscience to call them that.  We sell them a macho image of the military, put them in a Uniform,wave a flag, tell them to be brave heroes and go to some God-forsaken country to protect and keep free all us who are older, richer, younger or have better priorities than to fight a war.
We tell them we will support them when we mean will support the President and his war and we will hold their coats for them.  We stay here, go on with our lives, demand our taxes be reduced, and only protest if someone suggests maybe we and ours be asked to sacrifice in any manner.  

Yes, they are indeed brave, honorable young men and women. I am not selling them short.  My heart cries for these people who entered the military at age 17 and may be sent to battle over and over in the ensuing years.  When do they get to live the good life?.  We teach these undeveloped brains to kill on command, never ask questions, obey all commands.  They have to endure unspeakable conditions.  If they get into trouble for following these commands we court martial them.  We sure can't blame the important people who ordered them to do this. If they are not killed, many of them come home vegetables, blind, maimed, or the toll of the war has left them with lifelong mental problems.  They will have to live the rest of their lives this way.  The rest of us will go on and eventually these people will be forgotten.  

The price of freedom is supposed to be shared by all.  During WWII the saying was "that those who had been given the most blessings have the most responsibility for protecting the freedoms.  This is a paraphrase but the meaning is there.

I am convinced that one day all Americans will be held responsible for the abuse we allow to be heaped on some of our young people, particularly in the enlisted ranks.  We are also responsible for the leaders we elect, so we sure better be educating ourselves and not blindly following these leaders.

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:34:11 PM EST


Re: Poll

This is exactly why I rarely bother with blogs, and find them a waste of time and energy.

On the main page the conversation was directed towards christianity, and who's version is right or wrong, and who is or isn't. WHO CARES? What does ALL that have to do with the polling questions? If you want to debate christianity, go to your own site, where THAT is the topic of conversation.

LET"S GET BACK TO THE POLL ????????

We have a Pres. that demanded a NEW A.F. 1 because the 'old' one wasn't good enough. Then he demanded a new 'custom' built limo. At the tx payers expense. NOW he's demanding, and has ordered 6 new Air Force One helicopters!!

All this while he's cutting HUD funding for housing for the poor, vterans benefits, and by using a new method to calculate it, reducing the cost of living increases to the elderly and disabled! Where are his Christian values?

We have no accountablity in our voting system,
who long would a bank teller, or an account keep their job, if they 'lost' thousands or millions of dollars, every time they counted the money? Then why is it acceptable when we vote?

Why is it acceptable that when 40% or more of the people in a state, vote for one canidate none of their votes count because of the 'all of nothing' method in most states of asigning electoial votes. Talk about disenfranch!!!!!

The revolving door, between people who hold government jobs, then go to private jobs with government contractors, with outrageous saleries because of their insider contacts? There should be a 10 year moritorium, against anyone who holds a job that receives government contracts from holding a government job in a related industry, and visa versa!!!!!

This administrations MISAPPROPRIATION, of TAX DOLLARS, now quoted by some as being as much as 88 million, to publisists to promote this administrations agends!!! I was outraged, when I saw those misleading non informative ads by HHS, about the NEW Medicar Drug program!!! The 40 million they spent misleading the public, sure could have been better spent buying drugs, in bulk at a reduced cost, that people need!!! Now Bush has made a back-room deal with the Canadian gov. to allow their beef to be imorted (don't we have enough of our own?), in exchang for the Canadian gov. stopping/restricting Americans from getting lower cost Canadian drugs. Gret deal for us? Hardly, we suspect 'mad cow beef' for higher drug prices!!!

I have asked several progressive sites to calculate just how much tax dollars, have been spent by this administration, on 'faith-based' iniatives, funneled through multiply goverment agenceys. Add to it the amount of money spent on 'abstinance' only education, and promoting marrage! DA, like people don't know how to get married if they want to? Do we really need our government telling us to get married if we don't want to? Considering Bush's conduct, drinking and partying, who is he to tell anyone to practice abstiance???

I think I'm correct in saying, there is a Constitutional demand that there is seperation of church and state. Yet, many ministers/priests have readily admitted, they influenced their congregations as to how to vote as christians. This is illegal!!! Any church that did this, in any manner, should lose all tax exemt status, have to re-pay their taxes on inome and property for the last ten years, and not be eligible for tax exempt status for the next ten years!!!

People really want to do something about the media? Start monthly targeted boycotts, of one sponser of the worst of it per month! Have each person or family write, call or e-mail telling the corporation why their being boycotted. We're currently doing McDonalds, because of their advertising on Fax news, you'd be surprised how responsive they are, and if hundreds of thousands did it, it'd work! Money is the only thing these peole understand.

The christian conservatives, evangelicals, and Neo-Con's have it down pat! One wrong word or phrase they don't like, and the program and sponsers get thousands of e-mails. It took me 45 minutes to find out how to e-mail PBS's, president (I never did find ot how to get to the board) about the BANNED episode of Buster the Bunny! The shows main focus was on a Vermont farm, making maple syrup, and milking cows! Because the household consisted of two Mommies, it was pulled. Stations weren't even given the choice of showing it or not. Adoption by gay couples is legal in every state but Florida. Like it or not it's a fact of life. Children with same sex parents are going to be in school, with your children! Don't these innocent children deserve tolerence as well??? It doesn't happen to be true in this case, but couldn't it have been two women sharing the reponsiblity of raising a child and running a farm (no easy task), while their husbands were serving in Iraq???Why is it anyones business if tey share a bedroom or not???

It is my business when this administration spends my tax dollars, to buy new limos, new airplans, and helicopters, pay people with our tax dollars to mislead our citizens into supporting their agenda!!Give our tax dollars to churches to pay them to influence voters!!!!

Let's get our priorities straight, and our act together befor its to late!! Let's start looking for grounds for impeachment, and to overturn this fraudulent election!!

FREEDOM and LIBERTY, should start at home, ask the thousands of demonstrators arrested and harassed, over the past 4 years, how much freedom we have in this country!!!!!!!!!!!!    

AndieGee

by AndieJG on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 10:12:31 AM EST
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Get the money out of politics!

All of the issues that CC is working on are important.  But none of this work will be effective until the foundation of corrupt government is overturned:  money in politics.  As long as wealthy families, special interests, corporations, and powerful religious groups have a connection to Congress, they will maintain the bribery-and-favors system that benefits them at public expense.  We have to break that connection.

You're concerned about corporate domination of media?  Won't change as long as corporations can make "campaign contributions" in exchange for legislation authorizing media monopolies.  Are you working hard for election reform?  Won't happen until wealthy individuals and PACs can't buy off politicians.  We all have our personal priorities, but if we don't come together on the major, basic problem, we'll never get anywhere!  And I don't know about you, but I prefer not to waste my life working ineffectively.  I prefer focusing my work where it will really make a difference.

There are several "attack fronts" for getting money out of politics.  One is to institute "Clean Elections".  All elections should be publicly and equally financed.  No more campaign contributions - not from PACs, not from corporations, not from wealthy families.  Just imagine it for a moment - all campaigns equally financed.  People might actually be elected on their merits, instead of their sugardaddies.  This is the kind of election reform that will really work.

Another front is to abolish corporate personhood.  The concept that a corporation has the rights and protections of a human being is bizarre, disastrous, and probally illegal.  I just read a book that says the original legal decision in 1886 to grant corporations personhood status, isn't true!  A clerk wrote some kind of preamble that said the judge had granted it, when he actually had NOT, in the actual decision.  Anyways, corporations do NOT deserve the right to freedom of speech (million-dollar advertisements pounding our heads), nor the right to not incriminate themselves (corporate records are supposed to be open to the public), nor the right to vote (mega-million dollar campaign contributions) etc.

Are you seeing the picture?  Marriage rights for same-sex couples, fair and honest media, open critique of the war, none of it will happen until big money does not control government.  Let's stop fighting the wrong battle, let's stop being splintered into isolated issue groups who never get anywhere.  Let's unite to break that corrupt cycle of money-politics-money.  

Common Cause staff, are you hearing me?  Your polls are not rating this issue highest, but it really needs to be our priority!

Leslie

by Leslie Hunten on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:08:31 PM EST


New to blogs/add Social Security to the agenda

Hello,

 I am new to blogs and blogging (yes-I've been resistent) but not to Common Cause.

 I am more appalled and discouraged by the news every day. I have burnt out a number of family members and friends by forwarding them information and requests from me that they get active.

 Looks like I'll find more like minded company here.    I hope that Common Cause will consider adding exploration of and oppostion to the Bush Administrations proposed reform of the Social Security program.

  Yes, the system has problems but I don't believe they are currently at crisis proportions and so much else is. The president seems prone to creating crises to further his own agenda and he needs to be stopped from over inflating the situation and jumping off the deep end again.

 One other quick observation from my first day of blogging-I didn't like the tone I sensed in an exchange between Christian and non Christian-hope it's not the usual.

 Also I hope no one will feel compelled to correct my spelling for me when my meaning was quite clear.

 Okay then-blog on.

This was posted by LiveCitizen in another spot -- I think this is where it was meant to go. Congrats to LiveCitizen for take the blogging plunge!

Barbara Burt, Common Cause Election Reform Team Leader

by Barb Burt on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:54:20 PM EST


Re: New to blogs/add Social Security to the agenda

Welcome to the Blog!
I too was put off by that spate of religious back and forth.
You don't usually see that sort of thing on Blogs.
Peggy

by pderas on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:34:31 PM EST
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Re: New to blogs/add Social Security to the agenda

Barb, I agree, I'm college educated, read three or more books a week, multiply papers, I just can't spell! Then again when I get upset, I tend to make typo's as well. It's the IDEA that should count not the prelling. Thank-you

AndieGee

by AndieJG on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 10:20:28 AM EST
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Re: Why not Iraq?

"...I also noticed how poorly Iraq has done as an issue for Common Cause, according to our unscientific poll. Is it because Iraq seems outside our usual issues?"

I suspect I'm not alone in that I'm very frustrated that attention has shifted so greatly towards Iraq and the "war on terror" that election and other government offenses seem largely overlooked by the public and ignored by officials. Case in point: Today a majority of a single ideology can act with impunity; ignoring all opposition, and without significant risk to its power. Whether you agree with the goals of the current majority or not, this is a disturbing state of affairs.

Given the rules of Congress and state of elections, there is little incentive for officials to act in the interests of all those they represent, much less recourse when they fail to do so. Any governing body without meaningful opposition, that cannot be removed from power, and thus cannot be held accountable for its actions, is far more dangerous to our "free society" than any terrorists.

by CleffedUp on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 02:40:54 AM EST


Media Reform

I consider Media Reform to be the top issue facing the electorate in the coming years.
Our media, in all forms, has become so consolidated and homogenized because it is owned and controlled by a few large corporations who owe their allegiance only to their advertisers.
As such they "sanitize" our news so as to not reflect badly on themselves and their advertisers.
It has gotten to the point where we have to question the veracity of anything we see or hear.
Here in America our democracy is built on a free and independent press.
A press/media that owes more to its advertisers than the public is a clear and present danger.
I am reminded constantly these days of President Bush's admonition to the American people after 9/11, when we were ready to sacrifice anything in support of our country.
He said: "Go shopping".
How ludicrous!
That our president, at a time of national crisis, could only advise us to keep the wheels of commerce greased with our dollars.

by pderas on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:29:14 PM EST


Good grief, Charlie Brown!

Having read through this thread, all I can say is that it reads like a John Kerry site during the last campaign!  Lots of sound and fury with little common sense!

Several things should be noted by most of the respondents:

1.    A lie is a statement that is not true made by a person who knows it is not true.  It's the second part of the definition that makes a lie such a dastardly thing.  Calling a person a liar is a serious charge.  It implies intent to deceive.  Before you call the president or Ms. Rice a liar, please provide an example.
2.    If you don't believe there is a liberal bias in the main stream media you are either unobservant or blinded by your convections.  We've just been treated to a beautiful example as Condi Rice was verbally hammered by Robert Byrd, among others.  Not a whisper of discord was heard from the main stream media.  Just suppose, for a moment, that the situation was reversed; Rice a democrat and Byrd et all were republicans.  Byrd wagging his KKK finger at Rice would have made the cover of the NY Times, LA Times, Newsweek, and lord knows how many other media outlets, with absolute outrage!  The race warlords would have been apoplectic!
3.    It's unnecessary to swear or call names in a political discussion unless you have nothing else to say.
4.    Sorry, but total war was declared, not by Mr. Bush, but by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.  Furthermore, they have made it abundantly clear that it is either them or us.  And your choice is?
5.    To say the actions of the US in Iraq are imperialistic simply shows you don't know what the word means.
6.    By the way, where does it say that the United States is a democracy?  I'm not sure, but I think Woodrow Wilson was the first prominent leader to make such a statement.  If you read the Federalist Papers, you will see our founding fathers had real fear of mob rule (democracy) and established many safeguards to prevent it!  Through the years, liberal politicians have removed most of them (For example, the 17th and 24th amendments).  And I read that many of you would like to remove the Electoral College, another of the safeguards.

V. Smith

by Esky on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 08:33:35 PM EST


Re: Good grief, Charlie Brown!

2. If you don't believe there is a liberal bias in the main stream media you are either unobservant or blinded by your convections...

I can't argue with this statement, but the problem isn't the nature of the bias, rather that media outlets are no longer prohibited from and are compelled towards bias. For example, just as so much of the NY Times is liberal spew the single-minded delivery of that Swift Boat "documentary" during the election was a disgrace.

I suspect we'll agree that today's media outlets operate with and promote closed minds. However, while I'd like to see the rules requiring balanced programming restored, ultimately how people consume news is a matter of individual choice. I've long given up my NY Times paper delivery for PDA feeds from the likes of Reuters, BBC, Alternet, even Fox and the GOP though I disagree with most of their views, and I look forward to the day when the people catch up with the technology for more balanced consumption.

6. By the way, where does it say that the United States is a democracy?...

It doesn't, but Article V specifically provides for changes given a consensus of 2/3 of the states. We can agree to disagree on what the role of the people should be in the appointment of government officials, and I'd enjoy arguing this elsewhere, but the Constitution is not beyond criticism or change. Simply because our country wasn't conceived as being democratic does not, in and of itself, mean it can't or shouldn't be.

by CleffedUp on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 03:54:58 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, Charlie Brown!

Thank you for the intelligent reply.

On #2 I think we could agree to disagree on the role of government in interfering with the 4th estate.

On #6 I think we could sit down in a quiet spot with a few beers and enjoy ourselves.  I believe I could convince you of the real danger of universal sufferage. Unless, of course, you are a hard core socialist.  Then,I guess, you wouldn't think it a danger.

V. Smith

by Esky on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 08:09:14 PM EST
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Robert Byrd

You need to do some more reading and listening yourself.  When did Condi (as you call her) Rice not lie?  When did George Bush not lie? Robert Byrd's allegations before this war started turned out to be true.  At least he was able to apologize for the mistakes he made in an earlier life.

The terrorists of 9/11 were not from Iraq.

You also need to read your history again.  

You are just repeating the lies of the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.  Listen to those guys long enough and your brain turns to mush.

The media is not liberal.  Most of the medis is corporate owned and the news is controlled.  

by Anonymous Citizen on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 09:58:09 PM EST


Liars?

Thus, Mr. Anonymous, it should not be difficult to provide a single example of a lie told by Ms. Rice or the president.

V. Smith

by Esky on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 10:02:09 AM EST


Christianity

I agree that Nationalism and Christianity have been blatantly mixed and is a great problem.  However, we have to accept that fact.  People who should be concerned about National issues  have been led astray by the so-called Christian Right and these issues need to be confronted and disputed.  These people who vote "on the morality of the Republicans" make up a large part of the people who should be concerned about their Democratic rights. I say they are being deliberately led astray.  Don't you receive all of the Hoax E-Mails which have been revamped and sent out over and over for years and years?  They are sent at specific moments to frighten Christians and keep their minds off what is really going on. Do you think they are coincidences?

To say what is really at issue and better than I can go to www.truthout.org and read Bill Moyers recent article in the Star Tribune.  (Not about the E-Mails; that is my own opinion.)

We may not like it, but we have to address this problem.  

Democrats and the Mainline Religions have to be concerned about this.  It will not go away.  

by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 01:09:50 PM EST


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