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Ethics vs. Rules

I have seen some traffic on the recent proposal from Congressmen Obey, Frank, Price and Allen that would address some of the procedural abuses the Democrats have suffered over the last few years at the hands of the Republican majority. The reforms they propose are good because they would make it harder for the Democrats to do the same things when they ultimately return to power, since they were guilty of similar abuses in the past, though probably not to the same extent as Hastert, DeLay, Drier.

The point I want to make here is that this proposal is mostly about procedural rules and not ethics. They do throw in some stuff about congressional travel, which members of both parties have pretty much turned into mini political junkets. But to characterize these reforms as an answer to the ethics problems that face Congress now is misleading. These are good reforms and they do address problems that have existed for some time. But the reforms do not go to the heart of the ethics problem, no matter what David Broder thinks.

Congress does need a scrubbing. And it looks as though the Justice Department is going to take the first good swipe because the ethics committees in the House and Senate have checked out. This is the problem. How is it that there are at least a half dozen members of Congress being investigated for possible criminal behavior by the DOJ, but the ethics committee in the House has not done anything? Even if the committee had not been stalled all year because of staffing nonsense, it would have been completely out of character for the House Ethics Committee to be out in front on this Abramoff stuff even if it was functioning.

So to reiterate: if people are interested in cleaning up the ethical corruption that has griped Congress, particularly the House of Representatives, then they should be clamoring for a credible process of overseeing and enforcing ethics rules. The rules exist, it's just that no one pays attention to them because they know the ethics committee won't investigate. So, in the absence of the possibility of a criminal investigation, the sky is the limit.


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A letter to Chellie, president of Common Cause

Over the last year or so i have read many blogs from members like you and me, questioning whether Common Cause is truly Nonpartisan, as they claim, and i have also posted some messages saying the same.  Although, i think the CC staff overall is trying to make a difference and hold government accountable for their wrong doings, or bad use of our money etc. I think it is time that Chellie and her staff be open and honest with us about, what political parties they belong to and who they  voted for in the last election. In order for CC to truly be Nonpartisan they should have about an equal amount of Democrats and Republicans. I believe the best way to accomplish this is by listing the political parties and who that staff member voted for in the last election under their names in the staff directory. I encourage other CC members to ask the same from our president Chellie Pingree.  

  I would like to ask Mike Surrusco if he would be the first staff member to tell us whether he is a Democrat or Republican?  And who he voted for in the last election  Bush, Kerry or Nader??  

 

by DRMIKE on Fri Dec 09, 2005 at 06:22:45 AM EST


Dr.Mike asking for the CC staff to come clean.

Dr. Mike  

        Well written, i agree completely. In an earlier blog written by CC staff member Dawn Holian, called "Paying for a free press in Iraq"
she quotes the Los Angeles Times as saying:

"Many of the articles are presented in the Iraqi press as unbiased news accounts written and reported by independent journalists."

This made me think:

How unbiased and independent is Dawn Holian and the rest of the CC staff.  The article makes the Bush administration look bad and is anti-Republican.   If we knew Dawn was a registered Democrat and voted for Kerry in the last election, then we would be able to see why she wrote this article.  On the other hand if she was a registered Republican and voted for Bush, then it would seem like there was a legitimate reason for her this article.  

CC needs to come clean and tell us what their party affiliations are and stop hiding behind the "Nonpartisan" front.  

 I also would like to ask Mike Surrusco if he would be the first staff member to tell us whether he is a Democrat or Republican?  And who he voted for in the last election  Bush, Kerry or Nader??  

by Adan on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 08:57:03 AM EST


civics lesson for the misguided

Adan,

1)
Common Cause is not a media outlet or news agency.  This is a political organisation.  We have political opinions.  Given the state of the current media, you might be forgiven for you ignorance of the difference between the two.

By definition, Common Cause is biased.  We have specific goals for reforming the American political process.  We are biased in favor of "open, honest, and accountable government."  

News organisations are not supposed to have any opinions.  That is rarely true today.  You are probably very familiar with this phenomenon from watching your favorite news channel "Fox - fair and balanced," especially the "No Spin Zone" of Bill O'Reilly, and from reading the Drudge Report and FreeRepublic every 20 minutes.  You may want to sample a broader spectrum of sources.  A plurality of perspectives has a tendency to elevate one's view of political questions (see Federalist Papers, Madison 10).

If you came here expecting to find "unbiased" news I suggest you try looking on a website that does not include links on "ways to give" or "take action."  That should tip you off that We are an advocacy group.  

2)
Your post suggests a strange definition of what it means to be "unbiased" or "independent."  You suggest that if an article "makes the Bush administration look bad and is anti-Republican" it must be biased.  Is it possible for the Bush administration to be wrong?  Your own post seems to agree that paying for journalism is not good policy.  Why then criticise Dawn for expressing a view you agree with?  Do you hold your partisan affiliation above the importance of a free press?

You also suggest Dawn's article would have been more legitimate if you knew it was written by a registered Republican.  To me, this is evidence that the country has completely lost its mind.  Are you incapable of evaluating the merits of an opinion without regard to partisan politics?  Does the value of a free press depend on whether a Democrat or a Republican is advocating for it?

3)
With regard to the Mike's post "Ethics v. Rules," I ask you to point out which of the following quotes gave you the idea that Common Cause is a wholely owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party run by Howard Dean clones?

a) "The reforms they propose are good because they would make it harder for the Democrats to do the same things when they ultimately return to power, since they were guilty of similar abuses in the past, though probably not to the same extent as Hastert, DeLay, Drier."

Here, Mike is hoping that the Democrats won't be able to hijack the Congress the same way the Republicans have this session - and that Democrats have in the past.  That doesn't sound much like a Democratic talking point to me.  Mabye I'm biased too.  Would it make you feel better if I told you I'm a registered Republican?

b) "They do throw in some stuff about congressional travel, which members of both parties have pretty much turned into mini political junkets."

Here, Mike points out that BOTH parties have abused travel offered by lobbyists.  Once again, this is not something the Democrats will be "running on" this year.

3)
Being "Nonpartisan" is not the same thing as being "bipartisan."  There is a long forgotten concept known as "the public interest."  There are many issues where any elected politician's interest is opposed to the "public interest."  Re districting reform, campaign finance, ethical oversight, voting machines, lobbyist regulations, etc.  

When one party controls all three branches of government it is impossible to lobby for reforms on these fronts without talking about Republicans more than Democrats.  Right now Republicans are the ones controlling the committees and receiving the most lobbying attention and therefore committing more violations.  They are also the ones who will pass any reforms.  If the Democrats were in charge, Common Cause would be criticising them just as much as Republicans.  If you Don't believe me, look up Common Cause's work during the 80s and early 90s.

by Blagfly on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 06:54:01 PM EST
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Civic lesson for the misguided Blagfly

Blagfly,

    In my original post, i never said that Common Cause is a wholely owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party run by Howard Dean clones or anything like that, did you just make that up or what??

      You say:  Here, Mike is hoping that the Democrats won't be able to hijack the Congress the same way the Republicans have this session - and that Democrats have in the past.  

     I never said anything about Congress and i never accused the Democrats of "hijacking" congress, where did i say that in my post???

     You also wrote:   Would it make you feel better if I told you I'm a registered Republican?

      You should get your posts straight, that was something stated in Adan's post, not mine.

      I do agree with you on one thing though, "Nonpartisan" and "Bipartisan" are two different things.  

Nonpartisan means:  not in favor  of one party or another.

Bipartisan means: including or done by both parties.  

In other words, my original post was seeking to find out if the CC staff was BIPARTISAN (Does CC have a mixture of Democrats and Republicans) or just composed of one party, Republicans or Democrats.  

I dont think it is an unreasonable request, to ask the staff members of CC to list what party affiliation they are connected to and who they voted for in the last election. The president of CC, Chellie states that she was former Democratic candidate, so we know her party affiliation. She isnt ashamed of her politics and what she represents.

 What will the staff members lose by telling us whether they're Dem. or Rep. and who they voted for in the last election? Why would they hide this information from their members, all we want is the truth!!!

by DRMIKE on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:54:12 AM EST


Re: Civic lesson for the misguided Blagfly

DRMIKE,

My civics lesson was addressed to Adan.  Thats why the post begins with his name and is nested under his post.  This may explain much of your confusion about my comments.

You may want to follow your own advice about getting the posts straight.

I can assure you we do not agree about the meaning of "nonpartisan" and "bipartisan."  I will also go ahead and point out that your Dec 13 post reframes your definition of nonpartisan.  I give you credit for any possibility that you may have discovered the weakness of your original definition through this dialogue.  At the same time I discredit your inability to be intellectually honest with yourself.

This is how you defined nonpartisan on Dec. 9: "In order for CC to truly be Nonpartisan they should have about an equal amount of Democrats and Republicans."

Now on Dec. 13 you say Nonpartisan and Bipartisan are different.  "Nonpartisan means:  not in favor  of one party or another. Bipartisan means: including or done by both parties."

Maybe I really am misguided but for the life of me I am unable to conceive of the difference in meaning between "an equal amount of Democrats and Republicans" and "including or done by both parties."

You and I definitely disagree about what it means to be nonpartisan.  The world is more complicated than Republicans or Democrats.  The two major parties do not encompass the entire spectrum of possible political opinions.  

A nonpartisan idea is one developed without concern for partisan outcomes.  A diehard Conservative, registered Republican, who has always voted the ticket is capable of having such an idea.  It is possible for a person to be registered with a party and think independently.

Common Cause is nonpartisan in this sense;  CC does not consider the partisan outcomes of the reforms it pursues.  Will an effective Ethics Committee help the Rs or Ds?  Will trustworthy voting machines, nonpartisan redistricting, campaign finance reform, media diversity, etc?  Maybe.  What Common Cause is concerned with is the process of democracy.  These SHOULD be bipartisan issues if we are doing our job right.  But the pursuit of these goals is for the ideal of open, honest and accountable government itself.  There is no regard for the partisan results of these reforms.  These reforms are all pursued as part of CC's view of what democratic reforms are in the public interest.

Whether CC is capable of developing nonpartisan goals is not dependent on the partisan makeup of the organisation.  A person's personal political opinions can't be defined by their partisan affiliations or voting patterns.  A much better indicator of Common Cause's perspectives is provided to you each day by the ongoing commentary of its staff through this blog.    

by Blagfly on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 01:42:51 AM EST
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Re: Civic lesson for Blagfly

Blagfly,

     You can rant all day long and call DRMIKE and myself, ignorant and misguided and whatever names you want to call us.  The basic point is we and many other CC members, just want the CC  staff to be open about their politics, thats all.

You stated in your first blog:  We are biased in favor of "open, honest, and accountable government."  

I believe that most CC members are in favor of the CC staff being open and honest also.

Blagfly what are you so afraid of, that maybe if the CC staff stops hiding behind the nonpartisan mask and actually comes out and tells us the truth, that we might find out that they are all Liberal Democrats  and there really is no diversity of thought or opinion among the staff? Just misguided hate against Republicans and Conservatives.  

   

by Adan on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 07:46:27 AM EST
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Just misguided hate against Republicans and Conser

I will ask the same question I did earlier.  Does it matter whether a good idea is being advocated for by  a Democrat or Republican?

by Blagfly on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 05:20:52 PM EST
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Don't waste your time with Blagfly

To Adan & DrMike

      Blagfly is a Liberal extremist.  Like other Liberal extremists such as John W. Hinkley, the man who attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan and Huey Newton founder of the racist Black Panthers organization, these people run off emotion and its difficult for them to be reasonable.  

      Blagfly's main objective is to try to distract you guys from what your attempting to do, which is to find out the truth about the CC staff. If CC is holding the government accountable, then whose holding CC accountable for being Nonpartisan. If Mike Surrusco and the rest of his friends came out and told the truth that they were all Democrats  pretending to be unbiased, then people would realize why almost every blog posted on this website has a Liberal-slant to it.

      By ignoring your requests to come clean and be honest with us, the CC staff is showing they have something to hide.

"Espero que aprendan la verdad, antes de decidir"

by el profeta misterioso on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 06:26:42 PM EST
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Re: Don't waste your time with Blagfly

Was that a yes or a no answer to my question?

by Blagfly on Mon Dec 19, 2005 at 05:27:44 AM EST
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What Ethics?

Wowie! This article piqued my interest.

Al Kamen
Nov 30, 2005
The Void in Government Ethics

Speaking of ethical matters, President Bush earlier this month ordered refresher lectures on general ethics rules, including those governing the protection -- and leaking -- of classified information. Not that there was any problem, but it's always good to keep up on these things.

As for the rest of the executive branch, we thought we'd check in with the director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, the person who "provides overall direction to the executive branch ethics program and is responsible for ensuring that OGE fulfills" its obligations.

We checked the Web site:

"Vacant, Director." "Vacant, Special Assistant to the Director."

In fact, the job of director has been vacant since December 2003.
Wash Post

So I looked further into the matter just to be sure.

Office of the DirectorVacant, Director
Vacant., Special Assistant to the Director
USOGE

Here's the job description that is vacant:

Vacancy Announcements and Other Information
Vacancy Announcement Number: AR101064
Position: Government Ethics Specialist, GS-0301-13
Promotion Potential: 13
Salary: $74,782.00 - $97,213.00 USD per year
Opening Date: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
Closing Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
Duty Locations: 1 vacancy - Washington, DC
USOGE

And then I hit the AR101064 number to get to the job post. Which says: We're sorry. This job has been removed from the site and is no longer available for viewing. AR101064. I guess this is because the application closing date has past.

So I keep searching and I find this again:

November
Last updated on Monday, November 28, 2005
OGE Seeks Government Ethics Specialist, GS-0301-13

The Office of Government Ethics (OGE) seeks Government Ethics Specialist, GS-0301-13. This position is located in the Office of Agency Programs. The incumbent serves as a desk officer responsible for overseeing the ethics programs for a number of departments and agencies, and as an analyst performing a number of duties related to the educational mission of the agency. Please see Job Announcement Number AR101064 for more information.
USOGE

All else fails so I search for, Who is the Director? I can only find this:

Amy Comstock was Director as of September 2002

Frustrated and needing to know the truth, I call the phone number
(202)-482-9300 to ask if there is a Director and to see what the story is.

NOPE! No Director! The President appoints this position.

So I ask, "Who was the last Diredtor?"

Answer: Amy Comstock

Thank you and I hang up. Then I go looking for Amy again to see that the truth is; she really hasn't been around since December 1, 2003.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 1, 2003

Board of Parkinson's Action Network Announce New Executive Director
Amy Comstock Will Oversee PAN Operations (Washington, D.C.) - The Board of Directors of the Parkinson's Action Network (PAN) today announced the appointment of Amy L. Comstock as Executive Director. Ms. Comstock currently serves as the Director of the Office of Government Ethics. She will begin her appointment at PAN on December 8, 2003.
Parkinsons Action

So there we have it: The U.S. Office of Government Ethics has no director and the next question should be: When is Bush appointing someone?

From:
Somebody Save Me, I Don't Care How You Do It!
http://clearthinkersfortruth.com/modules.php?name= Forums&file=viewtopic&t=378

by CTFT on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:44:15 PM EST


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