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A report on redistricting reform in California

If you are looking for background information on our redistricting reform effort in California here is an excellent report, "Drawing Lines: A Public Interest Guide to Real Redistricting Reform." Our allies - Center for Governmental Studies and Demos released this report. It outlines our principals on redistricting in more detail.



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Texas-California Compromise

The Centrist Coalition has proposed joint non-partisan redistricting in Texas and California

Non-partisan redistricting in California but not in Texas has a partisan result favoring Republicans, even if that is not the intent.

by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 12:33:25 PM EST


Why?

Want to include some argument with your assertion about redistricting benefiting Republicans?

And why would a non-partisan group care which party benefits, as long as the process is reformed to more accurately reflect the population of the state?

by Blagfly on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 01:42:17 PM EST


Re: Why?

As these two links suggest, individual Republican incumbents are right to fear redistricting.  But on the whole, more Democratic incumbents will be at risk, given that the original lines were drawn to favor Democrats

http://www.sfcall.com/issues%202004/11.22.04/ll.23 .04%20hill.htm

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-congress8f eb08,0,4950889.story?coll=la-home-headlines

As far as why we care which party benefits, being a centrist doesn't mean we have no right to an opinion, or that we are neutered.  Having non-partisan redistricting in California, while ignoring Republican gerrymandering to proceed in Texas and now perhaps Georgia, has the appearance of neutrality, but with the effect of helping one side.  

The only truly neutral way this can be done is in both California and Texas, and that can only be done if President Bush puts as much passion in as as Gov. Schwarzenegger already has.

by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 04:31:40 PM EST
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Re: Why?

Common cause is not a centrist organization or a bipartisan organization.  

CC is a nonpartisan organization.

Trying to promote the democratic reform of nonpartisan redistricting while keeping an eye on the partisan impact of that reform would be a violation of CC's principles.

The point is not necessarily to keep the parties balanced.  The point is to make our democracy work more democratically.  Partisan equality does not necessarily equal balanced democratic process.

As to the effect of CA reforming while TX stays the same - you are right, that may cause an imbalance in national politics for a bit.  Even if CC was concerned with that, I'm all for achieving whatever reforms can be achieved rather than sitting around waiting for all the stars to line up.  CA and TX are never going to agree to pass redistricting reform simultaneously (have you ever met a Texan?  Trying to sell something to a Longhorn because CA is doing it will not work, not even with Arnold going door to door in Austin).

And your argument that Redistricting will hurt encumbent Dems because it was drawn to their benefit in 2001 simply does not rest on any logic.  Lines and districts change quickly nowadays.  If the initiative passes as is, the lines won't be redrawn until 2006.  Who's to say how the Dems will fare?  And in any case, CC does not and should not care about what parties benefit.

Remember - that is the exact concern we are trying to remove from the redistricting process.

by Blagfly on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 12:22:17 AM EST
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Re: Why?

Thank you for clarifying the difference between Common Cause, which is nonpartisan, and the Centrist Coalition, which is bipartisan.  It's a subtle difference.  I've done a post which goes into this in greater detail:

http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/001 810.html

by Anonymous Citizen on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 10:04:43 AM EST
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BEWARE of the Governator!!!

All I can say is I would highly recommend AGAINST joining forces with Arnold on anything. He promised the teachers he would back them up, and the new budget he proposed basically stabs them in the back. He has not earned my trust yet, and from what I've seen so far, he is not worthy of yours.

by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 05:11:09 PM EST


CA redistricting

why would a nonpartisan organization support anything AAHnold proposes?  He is a right wing loon; he cares only for himself and his wealthy class.  In California at least, don't the Democrats have control of the Legislature?? I have to wonder whether this campaign to put the redistricting into the hands of a "truly nonpartisan commission" is merely a ruse, to put the power into the hands of Conservatives

by Anonymous Citizen on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 10:34:06 PM EST


More background

The proposals that California Common Cause has endorsed, both Lowenthal's and McCarthy's bills, are both multi-partisan.  In other words, they both have 5 person panels made up of dems, reps, and ind / third party retired judges.  There are plenty of folks (including some Dem leaders) who are looking to expand the panel number and composition (beyond judges).  The report talks about a panel of 9, with 3 representatives for each party, and a required super-majority vote, so one party can not just collude with "independents" to hi-jack the map.

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 06:44:11 PM EST


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